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> 316L Stainless Pipe welding TIG Root STICK Fill
post Dec 12 2017, 10:52 AM
Joined: 12-Dec 17

Hi All,

My company has some up coming work using 316L 14" SCH 40 pipe, we are using TIG root and stick fill process, but having not used the stainless stick here before i am wanting to know what the best type/manufacturer of rods to use?

Thanks in advance
Technic Al
post Dec 12 2017, 07:18 PM
Joined: 14-Oct 03

Bohler, Esab or any other of the big European brands
post Dec 12 2017, 08:50 PM
Joined: 18-Nov 03

what Al says - end of story.
post Jan 8 2018, 09:38 AM
Joined: 12-Dec 17

Can normal 316L positional rods be used if the pipe will be taking temperatures of up to 550 degree C? or is there electrodes for high temperatures?

post Jan 8 2018, 04:32 PM
Joined: 30-Jun 11

Is there a specific reason your company have to use mma to fill and cap? Its only sched 40. Assuming you are purging, I would have thought to carry on with tig would have done a better job.
post Jan 8 2018, 05:21 PM
Joined: 23-Aug 08

What material is it you are wanting to weld with 316L rods?

Their are also stainless steels suitable for high temperature work like 321 & 347 although, I would not class 550 °c as excessive high temperatur.

You would use the correct filler material to match your parent metal.
post Jan 8 2018, 09:22 PM
Joined: 30-Jun 11

I understood him to say his company have some up and coming work using 316 14" sched 40 pipe. 316 is stainless.
post Jan 8 2018, 09:24 PM
Joined: 30-Jun 11

I may have misunderstood the question. Sorry
post Jan 9 2018, 11:33 AM
Joined: 12-Dec 17

I have been looking at 316H rods are they are used for elevated temperature i just wasn't sure if they would be compatible with 316L with the chemical composition being slightly different

post Jan 10 2018, 09:44 AM
Joined: 14-Dec 07

Some data here:

I Quote:
Heat Resistance

316 has good resistance to oxidation in intermittent service to 870°C and in continuous service to 925°C. However, continuous use at 425-860°C is not recommended if corrosion resistance in water is required. In this instance 316L is recommended due to its resistance to carbide precipitation.

Where high strength is required at temperatures above 500°C, grade 316H is recommended.


Fusion welding performance for 316 stainless steel is excellent both with and without fillers. Recommended filler rods and electrodes for 316 and 316L are the same as the base metal, 316 and 316L respectively. Heavy welded sections may require post-weld annealing. 316H is not a good choice for welding. Grade 316Ti may be used as an alternative to 316 in heavy section welds.

Looks like 316L with 316L rods will be fine unless strength is an issue.


Technic Al
post Jan 16 2018, 01:45 PM
Joined: 14-Oct 03

Normally 316L filler materials are limited to about 350 oC. The plate may be Ok a little higher, looks like 500oC is the recommendation.
To prevent centre line solidification the filler will normally contain a small amount of ferrite which absorbs the low melting point impurities and thus limits the crack susceptibility. The plate will probably be fully austenitic.
If you heat Ferrite to about 500oC you can transform the ferrite to sigma...which is hard and brittle.

So 316L is not really suitable for working temp of 550oC,

You can get filler that is fully austenitic but its still only 500oC and it will probably cost you and theres a good chance it will crack.
Technic Al
post Jan 16 2018, 05:16 PM
Joined: 14-Oct 03

Just another comment.....These data sheets often seem to add "thick sections should be annealed after welding"........I wonder if they really know how you anneal these grades.

It needs heating to about 1050oC under Hydrogen or Nitrogen or maybe even Vacuum, then it needs quenching whilst still under atmosphere. All this needs a very special furnace which are few and far between. It can be done but "heavy section" infers large and a large special furnace is very very rare, if there is such a thing.
post Jan 17 2018, 11:38 AM
Joined: 14-Dec 07

Thanks TA. Always an education to have your thoughts.

Perhaps I should have included the data sheet’s small print!
“This Data is indicative only and as such is not to be relied upon in place of the full specification. In particular, mechanical property requirements vary widely with temper, product and product dimensions. All information is based on our present knowledge and is given in good faith. No liability will be accepted by the Company in respect of any action taken by any third party in reliance thereon.”
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