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> Air fed mask design causing burned neck?
post Sep 2 2017, 07:06 AM
Joined: 2-Sep 17

Hi all.

Some advice please. My employer has been kind enough to provide it's Welders and Fabricators with the following air fed masks:

However, after the first three days some of the welders have experienced burns (some quite bad) on their necks where the helmet does not adequately cover. You will see from the design (above) that they do not include a 'lip' that covers the user's neck, as, for example, their model 1000 does:

However, the model 4000 also acts as a grinding visor whereas the 1000 does not. Our employer would prefer us to use the 4000 for grinding too as, quite rightly, it is less time consuming than taking the helmet off to put on a full face grinding visor (although only very slightly, as I have found this week)

My question to you guys is please can I ask if the design of the 4000 (with no 'lip', as I call it) is known to be a hazard for not sufficiently covering a welder's neck?

Whilst Googling this model, what I can see is:
The people in this PDF on page 2, 5, 21 and 25 seem to all be wearing overalls that cover the top part of one's neck whereas we wear collared shirts under. However, burnt necks were never an issue with the previous helmets that we have used for the last +2 years, simply because the design precluded this.
My point is that whilst a new design of PPE would cover our necks sufficiently, I feel that this would be putting a sticking plaster over an issue whereas being as a different(better?) design of helmet would eliminate the issue completely.

Thank you all in advance.
post Sep 3 2017, 08:23 PM
Joined: 2-Sep 11

I would have the thought a basic understanding of ray burn would ensure proper overalls /neckerchief or hood would be worn regardless of the welding screen thats being used
post Sep 3 2017, 08:39 PM
Joined: 18-Nov 03

Glue an opened up cuff from a TIG glove on the bottom of the screen.
This will solve the problem.
Also try and get a welding hood - available from this very website biggrin.gif
The S.P.I
post Sep 3 2017, 09:31 PM
Joined: 9-May 12

2 General duties of employers to their employees.

(1)It shall be the duty of every employer to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare at work of all his employees.
(2)Without prejudice to the generality of an employer’s duty under the preceding subsection, the matters to which that duty extends include in particular—
(a)the provision and maintenance of plant and systems of work that are, so far as is reasonably practicable, safe and without risks to health;
(b)arrangements for ensuring, so far as is reasonably practicable, safety and absence of risks to health in connection with the use, handling, storage and transport of articles and substances;
©the provision of such information, instruction, training and supervision as is necessary to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety at work of his employees;
(d)so far as is reasonably practicable as regards any place of work under the employer’s control, the maintenance of it in a condition that is safe and without risks to health and the provision and maintenance of means of access to and egress from it that are safe and without such risks;
(e)the provision and maintenance of a working environment for his employees that is, so far as is reasonably practicable, safe,
post Sep 4 2017, 07:08 AM
Joined: 15-Sep 02

In the UKWelder Shop you can buy two sizes of neck protector which will
fix your problem.

You can view them at the bottom of this page

Leather Helmet Caps and Bibs

geoffry harvey
post Sep 7 2017, 05:33 PM
Joined: 6-Jul 17

surely the employer would have to upgrade to better masks if people with burns all complained?
post Sep 24 2017, 10:34 PM
Joined: 9-Nov 10

But my confusion is why would ESAB supply helmets with such short length in the front of the helmet?

post Sep 25 2017, 11:29 AM
Joined: 15-Sep 02

Can you spot the difference ?

Jackson Albatross

post Sep 25 2017, 09:33 PM
Joined: 9-Nov 10

Wow! Thank you so much for that. The same helmet then? Ours definitely has the ESAB sticker on....so just re-badged....
Butt animal
post Oct 22 2017, 06:34 PM
Joined: 29-Nov 15

Most welders I know who have this problem cut open the gauntlet part of a welding glove & rivit it to the bottom of the welding screen. A good quality hood will sort this problem out also.
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